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Post by quanzen on Dec 30, 2012 17:00:33 GMT -5
^I agree with Saphyr 100%
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Post by Nebuchaddy on Dec 30, 2012 17:16:24 GMT -5
I have more ideas, I'll be posting them soon, trying to make the WG community better.
Some ideas are:
- "Recruiting" video. Just some propaganda to gain more WGs and to make us known.
- Weekly Stats. Each week, we should post a screenshot of our progress. Again, people want to know how well we play.
- Wandering Gun Art. Just some pics, renders, drawns, etc to RP a bit.
- Rankings. To show how many clan fights have been played by each WG, as well as the results. (Again, for the clans to see)
- Price list. Once Hawken support trading, we must be paiNod for each work. Depending on the caché and the performance of each player, we'll ask for more or less HC. I know that this would be a bit... "Disrespecting" for others WG, but we are all mercenaries.
- No limitations, but yet, organization. We CAN let everyone be a WG, but we can't let everyone be a Death Dealer/Task Forcer/TF-XXX/Whatever. We must keep thing organized. Every new WG should be "tested" by matches, hiring, etc. to be part of the "more serious" part of Wandering Guns.
- Different conditions for different pilots. As we are all mercenaries, and we will all have a price, each pilot can make his own conditions, like asking for extra things, asking for a part of the prize, etc.
- Being serious. Of course we all are a bunch of crazy hawken players and we will be enjoying each match, but if we must expel someone, we do it.
More ideas will pop up in my head, but they'll be similar.
Of course, I'm not the boss here, we ALL decide what we do. These are, as I said, some ideas.
Regards.
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Post by quanzen on Dec 30, 2012 17:24:45 GMT -5
Everyone in the WGs has a voice. We all vote and come to a mutual understanding here.
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Post by Nebuchaddy on Dec 30, 2012 17:40:59 GMT -5
I couldn't defend that more, but, as I said, just ideas, I won't be offended or something if you all think they are bad. The first rule of understanding each other is to accepts critics.
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Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Dec 30, 2012 18:18:53 GMT -5
I would like to be listed as a Death Dealer, though I think we should call ourselves "The Secret Society of the Unemployed" :P
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Post by saphyr on Dec 30, 2012 18:44:21 GMT -5
Well, I always have trouble being "critical", but you make some decisive ideas here that should be regarded properly. I merely hope others will regard my responses in turn. - "Recruiting" video. Just some propaganda to gain more WGs and to make us known. You want to gain more WGs, but our group is made of whoever wanders in. That's a "wandering" gun. Those who don't desire a strict membership, who don't need to be necessarily skilled, but get to be a part of community all the same. True, other clans are similar in that respect (BSB), but it was one of our original points. What we are about to do is deepen the level of membership... we just have to be clear that these videos would be an example of what a Wandering Gun could become if they reach this inner circle we are constructing here. As for making us known, however, it does a WG good if he manages to impress a clan leader outside. I have previously been lucky to present a good performance for Brave_Sir_Robin of the BSB. He has since offered a standing invitation for me to his clan for my communication skills and abilities. Outside of that, the Wandering Guns are ALREADY noticeable in the Hawken clan threads. We have the most views and the most replies. The videos are a sound idea to reach out to the number of pilots that are more involved through Youtube instead of the forums... we may want to figure out how to make our videos pop up in searches and suggestions and/or create a community specific channel to congregate the videos for the purpose of reaching out through Youtube. I can agree to this, because after every DAY I play, I update my profile on the WG site with a new image of my profile and statistics. This is a good habit for someone looking to sell him/herself. Already under way, I suppose. bzombie is a good artist and has previously offered members art by demand on the wanderingguns.com/2012/12/22/22-bzombie/: "if you need any art assets, let me know, ill see what i can do. Since im in the process of designing a set of robots for a personal project, maybe i can design a robot for every WG member. They just need to give me a little information on what they would like, such as.. type of robot, weapons etc. could be a cool idea. lol" I'm not going too heavily in RPing myself. I'm all business as a WG. This will require reporting involvement, which I don't know if it would be the best idea for many of our members. I've had trouble trying to take shots of in-game score pages with F9. I can do it with FRAPS, but I PAID for that application. We would have to ensure that members understand how to record these things for rankings. That's only a logistical complaint, though. This, of course, depends entirely on if HC/XP trading is even implemented. Tournaments such as the one we just saw have an additional element we might have individual clout in... mainly where money goes for donations. E.g. (out of complete ignorance) if my team wanted to donate to Citizens United, I may not appreciate helping a team win to do that and demand as my price that 17% (my share in a 6 person team) of the donation money go towards Planned Parenthood, instead. I imagine that it could be better if we are left to negotiate our prices in privacy... that's my countering idea. Are we not clear yet about who can be a Death Dealer? I thought we were trying to give active members a way to sharpen their skills, not necessarily be called an elite member. Testing can be used if we want to compete as a clan and want the best of the best among us to do it. If you meant testing so we can properly place them with a training group, then that's fine. Again, as I said for pricing, we each may have our own price depending on the situation... we may even make conditions to ask after the match or round is over. If we even want to add a price. For now, it's an RP thing. Expulsion from the Death Dealers or the WGs? That makes all the difference. The WGs expel no one unless they cause excessive problems for the community. Odin, who has been referred to previously, was one of those people. We don't want to expel WGs, even if we don't hear from them and even if their number stays reserved. The Death Dealers, as I understood it, was to be composed of active members who can spare the time to work alongside us and improve their game. Those who lack (1) the time to spend training, (2) the desire to improve, or (3) the commitment to the game itself through actual gameplay ma be dropped with this philosophy in mind. I look forward to continued discussion concerning this.
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Post by Nebuchaddy on Dec 30, 2012 18:56:48 GMT -5
Agreed with all of that. And of course, the expelling part, I was talking about serious problems, not for being a "bad player" or something like this. I joined Wandering Guns because of the "Freedom" we have. That's what I mean. Again, WG is a community, I would like to recommend someone if I'm not available, and of course, training groups would help us know each other and be able to "manage" our members. I guess I lacked information, probably because I'm Spanish and I can't express myself very well in English, but yeah, as I was reading your oppinion, I was thinking "Yeah, that's what I mean", but well, being a foreign is hard Regards.
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Post by quanzen on Dec 30, 2012 19:25:24 GMT -5
Well, I always have trouble being "critical", but you make some decisive ideas here that should be regarded properly. I merely hope others will regard my responses in turn. - "Recruiting" video. Just some propaganda to gain more WGs and to make us known. You want to gain more WGs, but our group is made of whoever wanders in. That's a "wandering" gun. Those who don't desire a strict membership, who don't need to be necessarily skilled, but get to be a part of community all the same. True, other clans are similar in that respect (BSB), but it was one of our original points. What we are about to do is deepen the level of membership... we just have to be clear that these videos would be an example of what a Wandering Gun could become if they reach this inner circle we are constructing here. This is so ironic because I was explaining this exact same philosophy earlier to LtMackAttack almost word for word about the WGs.
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Post by saphyr on Dec 30, 2012 19:32:15 GMT -5
Agreed with all of that. And of course, the expelling part, I was talking about serious problems, not for being a "bad player" or something like this. I joined Wandering Guns because of the "Freedom" we have. That's what I mean. Again, WG is a community, I would like to recommend someone if I'm not available, and of course, training groups would help us know each other and be able to "manage" our members. I guess I lacked information, probably because I'm Spanish and I can't express myself very well in English, but yeah, as I was reading your oppinion, I was thinking "Yeah, that's what I mean", but well, being a foreign is hard Regards. Regards to you as well. Thanks for the clarification. It's a good thing I make no assumptions and place conditional phrases everywhere. Your language is fine, as a matter of fact; it's just the matter of what you omit or include. I cannot tell the difference between you and any other English speaker on the internet... everyone is prone to being vague on some things. ---- So, how many more people do we need to have to start making decisions with regard to this circle we are creating? I think the discussion is fresh and ready to move forward on practice times, organization (well, I'm still working on getting Razor Comms operational on my end ), etc.
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Post by Nebuchaddy on Dec 30, 2012 19:39:35 GMT -5
Yeah, we need to start doing things. I could make an image for the Death Dealers, indicating the main mech, the Mech Mastery and so on.
Just for you to know, if you need videos, images, organization and so, you can count on me, I'll try as hard as I can. I just need some profile pics, screenshots, descriptions...
Regards.
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Post by quanzen on Dec 30, 2012 19:44:19 GMT -5
Everyones profile pic, screenshots ect. should be in their profile already. If not I'm sure we can make that happen in the next coming days. And as far as the Death Dealer logo I'm keeping the one I have on my profile You all can select what ever you like.
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Post by quanzen on Dec 30, 2012 19:50:26 GMT -5
My idea for the name "Death Dealers" came from the Underworld movies. Every clan of vampires would have "Death Dealers" that are tasked out to be the fighting force for the clan. Anyone in that vampire clan could be a "Death Dealer" with hard work and training. I thought this fit us perfectly
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Post by Nebuchaddy on Dec 30, 2012 20:21:45 GMT -5
I just changed my signature, I could make something similar for anyone who asked...
Hmmm... to big maybe? Hold on, I'll make it smaller.
EDIT: Ok, that's better.
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Post by quanzen on Dec 30, 2012 20:31:52 GMT -5
Mine is simple and fits the profile of my pilot, and avatar perfect. That's why I chose it. It's been in the profile I made on the site for over a week.
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Post by quanzen on Dec 30, 2012 20:44:05 GMT -5
I just changed my signature, I could make something similar for anyone who asked... Hmmm... to big maybe? Hold on, I'll make it smaller. EDIT: Ok, that's better. Yours is cool too. Would be nice if you could combine the one I have on the Hawken forums with the one I have on here.
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